Every day I get to deal with all sorts of stuff that our members bring to my attention. I know they bring it to my attention with the best intentions. Until tonight, I must admit, many times I would think to myself........"what's the big deal? Why is this member so irritated by what this other member did?"
But I just stumbled into the middle of an incident that really irritated me. I felt like one of our members. Somewhat powerless to discipline this person without losing my cool. Now I can see why people send in support emails whispering about the misdeeds of others. They see it, and it PISSES them off.
Here is my story....................
I come across a blog post tonight about hating to blog. The author says (and I paraphrase) that the only reason he is blogging tonight is because he needs to get back into second place in his city on ActiveRain. He has actually been a member here since last summer. Over 16 months as a member. The kind of person we love to have around here. Someone that is still blogging after 16 months................but not really.
He goes on to say that instead of writing something stupid about his local community, like everyone else here does, he is just going to tell it like it is and tell you right up front that he is just blogging for points. A necessary evil, he calls it. Fine. In fact, as I read it, I am slightly amused. Amused enough to comment. I read a lot of posts every day. I don't comment on as many as I would like to, but on this one I would comment.
I say something to the effect of.................."wow ____________, I feel horrible that ActiveRain has you home on a Saturday night blogging just to stay ahead in the rankings.................(maybe I added another smart ass comment, I can't remember, you'll see why in a minute).
I was about the fourth one to comment on the post. In response to my comment, the author says something to the effect of "I read (in some book or magazine article, or website) that blogging about a controversial topic will get you lots of links". OK, I will buy that. We are all in there commenting. He is stirring up the waters a little. I like that.........in fact, I appreciate that. Dissenting opinions are welcome on ActiveRain. We encourage them. It's the reason I commented on his post. "I hate blogging" is not a popular topic around here............but it's ok to say it.
I was a little concerned though...........the post was public...........not members only, so I ask in my next comment........."is this post intended to show the public that you are a straight-shooter?" I wanted him to consider that a client could read his post, and may wonder why he is doing something he doesn't like just to save face.........
At this point, I forget about it and I move on. I continue getting emails into my inbox as the author and another commenter have a good discussion about the authors website (a link was provided with a sentence like "and I should probably add the obligatory link to my website since that is what you all do")
After a little while of back and forth comments from the author and this other gentleman commenting on his post........I get a notification that the blog has been updated. I'm a curious guy by nature.........so I go back to see what has changed................haha, I am shocked...............THE WHOLE POST HAS CHANGED!!!!
The post is now a post about his local market and buying and selling..........and interest rates.............and new construction.............and...............I don't even know what else........I was so irritated I scrolled down as fast as I could to leave a comment...............
But wait............MY other comments were gone. No one else's comments were gone. Only mine!!! "Is this guy serious" I say to myself out loud sitting in my recliner at home. "Does he not know who I am????"
I fire off a comment as fast as my fingers can type. (again, can't remember exactly, but it went something like this) "Why did you delete my comments? You changed the whole post........that's kind of chicken shit of you, no?" (I'm not sure of the other words..........I am sure I used "chicken shit") I hit submit. Five seconds later..........I feel bad. I shouldn't have sworn. But I want him to know I am pissed. I go back and edit the comment...........I use the new strike feature and strike "chicken shit" and replace it with "weird"
He comes back with "I didn't know we were allowed to swear here, and if you didn't want us to be able to delete comments, you shouldn't have given us the ability to"................................WOW, Now I am really pissed..........does he know who I am? I keep thinking. OK, what are my options..............My finger is on the "smite" button..............(hahahha, yes, there is a 'smite' button). No, I can't do that. Do I delete the post? He changed the whole thing and left everyone's comments but mine..........what do I do? I let him know what I am thinking.
I comment with "I think your limited knowledge of SEO has you convinced that if you get a bunch of us to comment on your post, then change it to something real estate related and relevant to your market, it will help you. I further believe that you only deleted my comments so that I would not be made aware when you made changes to the post"
Haha, looks like we have a bug there........because I was still being notifiied. After firing off that comment, I wait.........and I wait.............in the meantime, I tell Jon what happened............he calls me a "dork" for getting so fired up. I sometimes call you guys a dork (under my breath) for getting so irritated at another member. Finally, I get an email from the author.
"Why the personal attack? I wrote something I didn't want out there, I wanted to change it.................I have been a good member for over a year, never had an issue" (paraphrasing)
He's right, I feel bad.........but I want him to know that what he did was not OK. I respond.........I've cooled down now. "I don't appreciate you taking a post that we all commented on (took our time to be nice to you and comment on) and change it to something totally different. Not really the spirit of what we are doing around here. My response was probably out of line, but gaming is not tolerated here..............."
A little later...........I get this................."I've had a few drinks and posted something I should not have. I replaced the story and deleted the comments (all of them). It's no more complicated than that...................BTW, who are you?"
So he didn't know who I was.................hmmmm, I was powerless for a little bit.............and it pissed me off.
I'll never call you a "dork" (or other like word) under my breath again when you bring it to my attention.........whatever it is, because you went through it, and I'll bet it upset you.........I can understand now :)
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You remind me of my brother. I love him dearly and sometimes I never want to speak to him again. It doesn't last. :)
I'm a dork. I admit it. It's really ok if you call me that. But now you'll understand why we're "dorks" sometimes :-)
I'm sorry you had that experience, I'm sure you had much better things to do with your time than deal with that particular person and the incident. However, I'm really not sorry that you saw firsthand from start to finish what happens here at times. I think by the time you see things after we've reported them that the "person" who is causing the concern or commotion has changed the post and deleted comments, as you saw yourself tonight.
Bob, I don't say it often enough, but thank you so much for looking out for all of us here.
BTW, could I purchase a "smite" button?????
All the comments are gone. Ironic that responses to a post about the necessity of generating AR points should end up generating no points. Chalk it up to experience and write the guy off as someone to ignore in the future.
Sincerely,
The Other Gentleman
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Welcome to AR Bob! hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
Please invite your DORK to join:
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LoL, Bob....your post is the first one I read this morning while my coffee is brewing...yep, there's all kinds here.
I love the new picture of you and your son, btw !
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Jo
This is a good one for this early Sunday morning. Walking in another's shoes is an humbling experience although it can make you testy! :0)
So, Bob....
What are your plans for NEXT Saturday night?
Blogging, commenting, or out of the house?
:D
Bob, ROFLMAO, (I learned that here.) Chalk it up to experience now you have it and you can understand why you get some emails, when an event happens to you, it changed the whole perspective.
I sorta wish it was not changed, it would have been a fun read, but then again I wasn't involved emotionally.
Thanks for sharing this.
Good Morning Mr. Bob and thanks for starting my day off with a deep gut laugh!!! I particularly liked the word "c*** s**t"...... LMAO.... but I would have probably leaned more towards "a-hole".... still laughing.
YOU ARE A RIOT. And you should have been pissed.
Obviously, he didn't know who he was fooling with.
shit.I think he should shut off the computer next time he drinks a little too much! lolWho are you? Oh yea, Dork... Tell Jonathan I like that one. And you better not delete this comment. Don't worry though, it's well beyond my 10 for the day. We do get points for commenting, right? I mean, that's the only reason why I comment. Oops... then why am I leaving this one.
Overall... it's good to vent and rant. And I think because this community is so large and that so many don't read the initial guidelines that are sent when you sign up, so many don't actually have a clue. In all honesty though, I didn't have these guidelines when I joined. I think part of it is common sense and the lack of.
I did learn one thing from your post and that's the strike button. I did notice some new buttons, but didn't try them as of yet. So, let me give it a try you
dork. I mean, you nice and sincere geek. ;o) (so cool) What else do we have to play with on here....Ok, so this is PROOF you call me a dork for getting my panties in a wad over people that can't figure out what an actual referral consists of!
But seriously, at least this confirms you are like the rest of us... not that I had doubts.
Bob, It may be a generational thing but I really don't like that kind of language on AR. If it's OK with Jon and Matt I can't do anything about it.
But I do want to register my objection.
As for the dork and "gaming" the system, well that's just human nature. We see it everyday, and for the most part we just have to live with it. After all, there are over 57,000 members.
If somebody deletes my comments I generally just don't go back there.
Bill Roberts
Proof positive that thinking before you hit the "submit comment" button is just as important as the "smite" button.
BTW, there's lots of work for that smite button to do, maybe you could hire a designated "smiter" or two. ;-).
You can call me a dork all you want. :o)
... looking for my "smite" button.
Someone needs to post about how deleting comments created bad blogging mojo. ;o)
Thanks for your comments everyone. I'm not really allowed on the computer today as I spent most of yesterday on it. My Son (and the football games) will be getting most of my time today. :)
I will directly address Bill Roberts........I'm not that fond of the language either. 999 times out of 1000 I wouldn't use it. In fact, I wanted to go back and delete it.........but my anger had gotten the better of me, so I just struck it. I didn't feel like retelling the story would have worked without an accurate portrayal of what I was feeling. Your objection is duly noted..........and I will try to be more civil in the future :)
Sandra.............Dorks was verbatim what Jon called me. Jon uses words like "dork". I decided to go with that one............but, you are correct, Dork is not generally the term being muttered under my breath :)
Okay Bob...
Now this made me chuckle. We (BB and a few other's) were having a great educational conversation on a post this morning...I was parked to follow the thread...
...And "Poof" the meat of the post changed in midstream. I
hatedislike that. So much so, that I blogged about re-writing and making changes without letting other's member's know.In your situation...You've had a nice helping of what we go through sometimes. They don't know who we are either :)
Please don't smite me for saying that. LOL. Shhhh :)
TLW...ROAR!
You were actually calling me a dork under your breath the other day? Shame on you young man...lol!
It does some getting used to... dealing with dorks....but in the end...we all are in one way or another. All a part of "being human" I'd say.
Now...off to read the comment thread. (I read 3/4 of your post...emailed you and Brian and Margaret...because of my dorkiness) and then came back to read the rest and comment.
Hmmm...
I wonder if he calls us "
ShitKa-Ka Heads" ?? :)Don't look at me like that Bob. You started it :)
TLW...ROAR!
I agree Sally....bet it was the other word....could have been sons of
bitchesguns.Think we should start a dork group...Bob can be moderator. Put all us dorks in it.
I agree with Sally, we are all 'dorks' in one way or another. OK, so I'll just speak for myself. Be that way!! OMG, I didn't know anyone still also used 'ka-ka heads.' Too freakin' hilarious!! You guys are a trip!
I get pissed off too.... but I have to realize that a lot of people here do not want to work for it... and cheat!!
Sad, but true.... and I keep on keeping on!!!!
Tisk! Tisk! Tisk!
Bob, You know I was just as mad as you ..... and now we know "the rest of the story". I am glad it all worked out. Sometimes we get emotional about things that are important to us - nothing wrong in that :) I hope you had a great day with your Son!!
Was there a full moon today? Reading on posts all over AR today was very interesting.
Now, I want one of those smite buttons. I duly swear on my honor to use it justly and wisely.
Bob - I said it before - we really have drama here. How about syndicating the most dramatic episodes? If you make it PG -you probably wouldn't even have to change the language of your post. lol. I was away for the weekend and came to at least 2-3 full blown dramas.
On a serious note, sometimes it's difficult to keep emotions in check. Writing a post is how I chose to deal with some situations. The good litmus test question for me:" Is this constructive?", i.e would what I say change anything. Many times the answers is - No. It doesn't apply to you, since you can change what ever you want. I hope the rest of your day was all positive.
Thanks for letting us know that you were one of us for a little while!! Well handled!
Hey Bob. Bobarooni,.. Bobster. Bobski.. Bob-o-rama.. I feel your frustration brother. I haven't read the above comments because I should be working, so I'll be brief. Loved the photo of you and 'The Great', clicked over to find this post is something I can relate to. (the frustration part) What to say? the point whores?.. who gives a crap. Do people still think that consumers are coming to active rain and contacting the top people in each county or city. Dorks! They finding us in google. Freak the points, man.
sorry you have to babysit us in addition to the Great one.. it must suck. but hey, could be worse. so I give thanks. :) I can't say much for those that dont reply to comments I leave on their blogs, never come over to drop a comment, or even place nice. Yeah, some are watching,
copying techniques, trying to copy techniques.. 'SEO experts', yeah right. if not for AR, they'd be on page 58. smiling to your face and taking notes behind your back.. ah Bob-ster.. let it slide baby.. there are always gamers, shiesters (sp?), hustlers, and then the rest of us good folks. this was a venting post for commentators also, right :) now i feel better.on a personal level, i'm on a blog hiatus cause of the highschool crap. where are my buds?, when we had fun with last year, and no longer stop by to say hi, when i'm all over the place dropping my love.? oh well, my ego can handle that. I got love for me too :)
hey, was this post meant to be public? :) ha! that was kinda a joke. by the way i dont feel like commenting, i'm just doing this for my 25 points.. haha!! :) another joke. i kid brother, i kid.
my only comment for today. I'm making a statement by not making statements.. or something like that.
later gators.. try to keep t real :)
Ha!! It's comforting to know that there is someone out there interested in the quality of posts on Active Rain and trying to protect the integrity of the post/comment synergy.
Then again, as I often tell folks when they are exercised about something, "A hundred years from now, no one will notice".
That's life.
Seriously, thanks for the dedication.
Bob,
I am sorry I do not think that this is even a little funny at all, But the guy is a Chicken Shit.. Bottom Line.
I do think you handled it professionally, and fun at the same time, Good for you. I will be sure not to Piss you off though :0)
I am sorry Bob, Who Are You? :0)
Tom Weiss
Folks...............
Thanks for commenting. I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond to each of you individually, but like I said, my family gets the lion's share of my time on Sunday. Today, I am trying to get things in order to be able to leave for the NAR convention so my time is somewhat limited as well :(
I would imagine I am like many of you in that I try to stay above the 'drama' around here but there are times when it sucks you right in. I think most of you got the moral..........we are all human, and I understand now (not that I didn't before) what some of you must be going through as you traverse this unique eco-system you have created.
I suppose I have to address Nick personally as from his comments it looks like he would be offended if I didn't :)...........so for you Nick.........thanks for your comments buddy :) I have another story in my bag that is right up your alley concerning your comment over how people find you and the points.........I'll write that one when I have the time :)
hey Bob. didn't mean it like that, one comment is one thing, but rather meant it when you visit others often. :) you know what i mean. now i feel like a dork :) i read the other post and i can't figure out what is real anymore. was it fun? why do so many people drink and blog. if I drink, i'm doing fun stuff like trying to make a tree swing with a rope that is too long or trying to surf with a garbage can top. these pineapples are kinda funny you know.. some of them have magic powers :) have fun at the convention/party :)
i guess i'm just a big dorky sensitive kid?... (figuratively on the 'big' part) :)) be on the look out for my new TV show
carambola... how appropriate!
I know you didn't mean it like that Nick...........I was joking :)
Jessica's post is a joke...........mine is real. This exact thing happened minutes before I wrote this post :)
Bob....have fun at the NAR conference and you guys' party.
Randy Prothero is coming to the conference and party....he's my buddy in our office. My broker will be at the conference.
Signedm
Dorkess :)
Bob, you've called me a dork?? gasp!
by the way, who are you besides Kelan's dad?
Bob, has anyone told you yet that we Realtors love drama...it's a terrible secret but true. Try running an office full of Realtors....it's like herding cats! But, it's this passion that probably helps us survive is a commission only job where we are constantly unemployed. ActiveRain, for many of us, is our therapy...a place to find support, inspiration and learn while doing so. I love that you shared this with us...it makes you one of us, sort of:) Oh, I know that feeling of "don't they know who I am?" so well. Darned if some people we encounter in life don't know how important and special we are! Thanks for your support too:).
Bob,
I can only feel your pain. You have over 50k Realtors as your members and they are the most gossipy people around - and opinionated - you betcha!!!
I must say that members ought to think twice before they hit the submit button and if it's really controversial they should definitely stick to Members Only.
I would calm down because quite frankly it will probably happen again. Glad you got your thoughts out. It should help.
OK Bob, now I know where KTG gets his tude!
Did you know that Gary Larson had the word dork edited out of his cartoon because of its meaning???
I learned that in the Prehistory Of The Far Side.
This post cracked me up. And yes, I do think I'd like a smite button also. hahahahahaha
Are you the person in charge of gold stars or smite buttons?
Back when I worked for the federal government, I remember the guys who got incredibly worked up and passionate about whose version of some obscure "Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking" would appear in the Federal Register, to be read by about 4 people around the country. Whenever I feel myself getting exorcised about some point hog posting a couple of hundred pictures of tract houses for photo points, or anything else that happens on AR, I remind myself that I could become like the Federal Register fillers. Then I call a past client (often one of my old colleagues) for a schmooze about referrals.
I love how you can laugh at yourself while making a great point! Thanks.
Bob,
Ahhh. Now you see! :)
Isn't this fun?
Next time, take a deep breath, let it out slowly, count to ten, then go ahead and do what you want anyway!
Thanks for the talk at the "Crib".
Lucky :)
chicken shit... I mean... Who do you think you are, anyway? Thanks for the laugh... ;o)Hey Bob. I'm one of those dorks you talk about! I do get annoyed, but haven't gotten fired up yet! Glad you were there to teach the man a lesson!
People do do nutty things, here. I have seen people take a photo of rain and blog about it - one sentence, a few days in a row, or write a single line sharing Friday night plans and asking if any one had gone to that particular place, and my favorite, is when two people in the same office post the same exact blog within hours of each other and then comment to each other, "Well said!" Can't help but wonder if their audience would be impressed.... (and don't turn me into the run-on sentence police).
Bob - thanks for sharing this story, and for keeping it real!! I know you must deal with a ton of crap every day with all the little pet peeves and politics that take place in the rain. I for one, want no part of any of that, and I give you alot of credit and kudos for handling this the way you did. To post about it really makes you a better man than I ... I would be too
chicken crapto do it!! I would have just picked up the phone and probably cut loose! (can't delete that!) haha. Great Job, and I'm glad you now have a different understanding and compassion for other members going through this type of thing!BTW - I DO know who you are!!! LOL! (Don't delete my comment here, especially don't smite me!!) :-)
Bob, thanks for sharing this. For a minute there, I thought that I was the only one that took things personal. Now I know different. And yes, I know who YOU are too.
One thing I can say is, when I get that fired up, I walk away. If I don't, I might say something that I can never take back.
On another note, I think that you guys should delete the Delete button. If the comment is there, it should stay. It is someone's opinion and we all not opinion are like.
Bob,
I had to come back and see how many comments this post had... LOL...
Whew!.....That's all I can say. :)
Without scrolling through all of the comments here, I've got to assume that the following smart*ss comment has already been made 27 times:
I am only commenting here for my 25 points.
Now that that has been cleared up, I must fess that I only found this through Jessica's hilarious parody. As I have had the honor of a similar satire from our Griffin, Georgia lovely, I feel a certain kinship now, Bob ;) I enjoyed this post because I can't imagine the crap you must have to deal with on a daily basis. The very reason that I have never entertained getting my broker's license and opening my own shop is that I get migraines just thinking about having to clean up everyone else's mess. I just don't do babysitting very well. I hate drama, and give you my word that I will keep your email as clutterless from my end as possible. I barely have enough time to worry about what I do. I could really care less about what others do here. I know you guys will rectify problems when warranted. And if it's me that happens to be the problem, smite away. I won't cry about it if it is warranted. I'll try not to give you the reason, though.
By the way, sorry we didn't connect a couple of weeks ago when we traded voicemails. I look forward to shooting the bull sometime soon.
Bob...
If I comment just for my 25 points...Does that mean I will be smited? (Is that a word??)...
Nope. It certainly is not :)
P.S. To be continued on Friday. I have some research to do. Wink. Wink.
TLW...ROAR!
Impressive....MOST impressive.... you are strong in the force, young Skyblogger......
just as the Emperor has foreseen..... (Just kiddin!)
We ALL learn things...every one of us, Bob......
You have walked a mile in another's shoes...
feel free to comment now that you understand....
Hehehehehe!! =-)
Thanks to TLW for the link to this post.
Bob - I thoroughly enjoyed this post. I've had my little scuffles here, well OK one, but we wound up kissing and making up. That is what is great about this whole thing. When ADULTS discuss a situation responsibly they can come to common ground. I didn't appreciate the changing the post thing. But I guess if there are drunk-dialers there would be drunk bloggers.
I bet that guy learned a lesson as surely as you did. Loving that "SMITE" button and will stay on my P's and Q's from now on. :)